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On Mon, 9 Jun 2008 06:01:49 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn < This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it wrote in alt.atheism: ... Well, a good portion of Isaiah is about Jesus. NO evidence supports your claim. Well, you are certainly welcome to your own opinion. It's a fact, my opinion has nothing to do with it. You have no evidence. I have the entire book of Isaiah in my Bible. Robert B. Winn And yet you have never opened it up and read it with any comprehension. �Do you use it as a door stopper or a coffee table prop?

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[...] Thanks. Do you see the flawed logic now though? Could you perhaps cite a city or other archeological point that existed some 2500 years ago, then dropped out of existence and never appeared on any maps afterward. If this archeological point was written about in some ancient manu_script_s, then some remains of it discovered in recent times, this would lend credence to those ancient manu_script_s. ? Gordon Is this a trick question? You're describing Troy exactly. Do you mean that Homer's Iliad is evidence that the ancient Greek gods are real after all? Nope! It is evidence that Homer's Iliad was compiled during a time when Troy was known to exist. It establishes a reasonably reliable date for the writing, is what I was saying. Agreed. Troy was known to Homer. That's all it means. It does nothing to substantiate any of the more extraordinary claims contained therein. Why would rbwinn consider the Iliad fiction, but see the Bible as non-fiction? <snip- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Yes, the Iliad was fiction. �The Bible is non-fiction. How can we tell the difference? What evidence shows us which is not fiction?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Well, people who cannot tell Harry Potter is fiction are going to have trouble with other books also. Robert B. Winn

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... Well, as I said before, trying to convince atheists that Harry Potter is not a real person seems to me to be impossible. I think we need to just let you believe what you choose to believe. Robert B. Winn You didn't answer the question. If the tunnel is evidence for the truth of the bible, why is not Kings Cross station not evidence for the truth of Harry Potter? Stop evading and answer. Your continual dishonesty will NOT get you to heaven, in fact just the opposite. Atheists are the people who think that Harry Potter is true. I have never even read any of the Harry Potter books. You keep telling that lie. No atheist has ever said that Harry Potter stories are true. We equate it to Harry Potter. So like far too many stupid Christians, he imagines that because it's real to him then Harry Potter must be real to us. I don't know whether they really are that stupid, or just pretending so they don't have to admit how we see it. But either way the result is the same - and one of the many reasons they are describes as morons or liars. And instead of trying not to be, they pretend they can't understand why they are treated as liars and idiots.

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Good. If you do not want to read about Enoch, you do not want to read about Enoch. Read whatever you want to read. You asked a question, I answered it, you say you do not want to read about Enoch, so the conversation is over as far as I can tell. Your dishonesty would not be as obvious if you hadn't actually quoted what you are misrepresenting. Your commitment to mendacity is noted. If he had snipped it (standard reaction to what they don't like), it would have shown he had something to hide.

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[...] Thanks. Do you see the flawed logic now though? Could you perhaps cite a city or other archeological point that existed some 2500 years ago, then dropped out of existence and never appeared on any maps afterward. If this archeological point was written about in some ancient manu_script_s, then some remains of it discovered in recent times, this would lend credence to those ancient manu_script_s. ? Gordon Is this a trick question? You're describing Troy exactly. Do you mean that Homer's Iliad is evidence that the ancient Greek gods are real after all? Nope! It is evidence that Homer's Iliad was compiled during a time when Troy was known to exist. It establishes a reasonably reliable date for the writing, is what I was saying. Agreed. Troy was known to Homer. That's all it means. It does nothing to substantiate any of the more extraordinary claims contained therein. Why would rbwinn consider the Iliad fiction, but see the Bible as non-fiction? <snip- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Yes, the Iliad was fiction. ?The Bible is non-fiction. How can we tell the difference? What evidence shows us which is not fiction?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Well, people who cannot tell Harry Potter is fiction are going to have trouble with other books also. I have no problem telling that the Bible contains huge swathes of fiction.

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... Well, thank you for your interpretation, Darrell. That is not an interpretation. ?Those words are in plain, every day English. And if you think you can support that Isaiah talks about Jesus Christ, please take a couple of passages that you think support your proposition best. Also, Harry Potter departed from the train station in London, remember? Huh? ?What does that have to do with Jesus Christ making an appearance in the book of Isaiah? ?If anything, it lends support to what everyone else has been telling you, i.e. just because a tunnel exists in Jerusalem, does not mean the story surrounding the tunnel is true. Atheists can certainly be imaginative. While your imagination is deficient, you sure do come up with a doozie of a lie about every third sentence. Robert B. Winn Well, what you seem to have forgotten was that Jesus went to the synagogue in Nazareth, read from the book of Isaiah, and told the people, ?This day is this _script_ure fulfilled in your ears. ?So we have confirmation from Jesus Christ himself that the Book fo Isaiah prophesies of Christ. Not forgotten at all because your claim cannot be confirmed. The authors of the gospels never met Jesus and knew nothing of his upbringing. The story has all of the hallmarks of a complete fabrication. Until you can provide evidence that it happened, you need to stop relying on it for your arguments.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I am not arguing about anything. I said that the Bible says Jesus Christ went to the synagogue in Nazereth, read from the book of Isaiah, and said, This day is this _script_ure fulfilled in your ears. There is nothing to argue about. That is what happened. There is no evidence whatsoever that this is what happened.

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