Right now at this moment I recommend each and every reader to get acquainted with three preachers of the Bible who predict the end of the world in varying ways . Ronald Weinland of the Church of God who had his predecessor Herbert Armstrong is an interesting preacher to know .He is predicting ominous events this year 2008 and soon demise of the United States. as the world power and he has some latest world events that can make him happy and more confident that his warnings to the world will come true. He has put his reputation as the last prophet of God Abraham on line but sinced he has some very strong points in his beliefs don't think he will change his religion quickly if he fails in his predictions.  Whatever results of his predictions he is well above most christians - those who claim to be christians- and he will not change his many views .  If we go by timeline he is saying the predictions occur the end of the world - the end of the present world order - should take place in 2012 AD in the spring.  But there is another preacher in this world who should be paid more attention as in my view he is the most serious opponent to the views I am representig and Jehovah's Witnesses. I am siding with Jehovah's Witnesses though I differ a lot with them in religious views. According to Harold Camping all churches are wrong today and people should abandon them . While I am making the big exception as to the Jehovah's Witnesses.  If you claim to be a christian big chances are that you are in a wrong religion- church , and we all three : Weinland , Camping and me could agree . Camping puts the same year  for the end of the world like me : 2011 AD. He came to the date in a different fascinating way to make him the best preacher on the radio earth-wide at this moment.  He is predicting the rapture of the saved will take place on May,21st, 2011 AD.And the period of 153 days will be a period of great horrible events as the unsaved will be left on the earth to suffer terrible torments .   Then on October ,21 st ,2011 AD the literal destruction of the universe will begin. And the new world will be put in its place for the saved only people .  For decades this very gifted preacher had been preaching literal hell and all of a sudden he began preaching eternal destruction of the wicked people that the Watchtower had been preaching for decades or more than century !   Calculations that Camping  made and that led him to the year 2011 AD are nevertheless worthy of consideration and I see his calculations as the only competitive to my calculations. If you know anyone who could pose a challenge to my calculations please let me know.   I have Camping's publications: The End of the Church Age and After , Wheat and Tares , Time Has an End and also We Are Almost There . You can obtain these from the Family Radio Stations, Inc. Weinlad's book you should get is 2008 . God's Final Witness .  I belive the end of the evil world order should take place in the month of Tishri ( fall ) 2011 AD and it will come as sudden surprise and the days leading to that day will be as usual days we have now with various events that may shock the world but it will be normalcy to most people . I mean by this that most people will not be aware to the last day the end is imminent and they will live the same way as they live now most likely. This is like the end of the world is to take tomorrow and who in the world now thinks the world will end tomorrow. Only true christians will be aware that year 2011 AD is most likel that year when finally end will come to the wicked and the righteous will begin a happy life on our planet earth. I strongly recommend each of you to get back to my posts on the subject of the end and it is so easy to retreive my posts by one click of a mouse you already can begin the exploration the way I am presenting.

 Weinland : 2012 AD  Camping : 2011 AD   Obves : 2011 AD .  Weinland and Obves : the end of the present evil world order .  Camping : the literal end of the present universe .  Weinland : most churches wrong .   Obves : most churches wrong .  Camping : all churches wrong on this planet earth.  Weinland : the Sabbath day on Saturday  Camping : the Sabbath day on Sunday.  Obves :  the Sabbath day each and every day of a week.  Weinland , Camping and Obves agree as to the hell . Unsaved will not exist at all.  Weinland and Obves ; there is no Trinity.  Camping : there is the Trinity.

Why Are you (OBVES), Harold Camping, Ronald Weinland & The Watchtower Bible And Tract Society All False Prophets? Simple. Deut 18:22 22 If what a prophet proclaims in the name of the Lord does not take place or come true, that is a message the Lord has not spoken. That prophet has spoken presumptuously. Do not be afraid of him. None of their teachings, prophecies, etc. should be heeded nor taken seriously for they all speak presumptuously and falsely concerning such things. Your attempt to justify a form of divination such as numerology is vain, wicked and futile for God is clearly against it. Harold Camping is merely a false prophet who teaches quite falsely. If you choose to follow his teachings and date-settings, then you have a much larger problem you will have to deal with. He's already set dates that did not come to pass and according to the Bible he therefore is a false prophet. He also teaches an anti-church theology that is in opposition to _script_ure. Furthermore, your use of occultic numerology also gives evidence that you have embraced divinitation which is something God abhors. I am quite familiar with your posts and as I conclude, you are not one keeping to Christian essentials and have decided somewhere along the way to embrace and teach unGodly things. I cannot and will not accept such unGodly things and will voice my opposition to such unGodly things. Your support of the Watchtower Bible And Tract Society, an unChristian cult, also shows that you have abandoned Biblical teachings since they not only have prophesied falsely but teach unBiblical things as well. Camping's aberrant and extra-biblical teachings and behavior (including his lack of accountability) place him outside the boundaries of orthodox, evangelical Christianity. He had already completely embarrassed himself and destroyed any credibility in the early 1990s by predicting that Christ would return to earth on September 6, 1994. After that prediction failed to materialize, Camping continued to make false prophecies, culminating in his absurd pronouncement that the Church age has come to an end and we are living in the Tribulation. God is through with the church, Camping insists— and judgment has now begun. Camping tells his listeners they need to leave their churches and look to Family Radio to be the main vehicle through which the gospel is preached to the whole world. This behavior shows quite clearly that Camping has placed himself above God's Word and is teaching falsely. Camping has gone as far as to claim that, since 1988, God has installed Satan as the leader of the Church, in an effort to destroy it. He also claims that no one was saved between the years 1988 and 1994, when he predicted the world would end. I am truly saddened that you have been deceived by Harold Camping, Ronald Weinland and the Watchtower Bible And Tract Society. I pray that you will one day abandon them and embrace solid, Biblical theology rather than the false teachings of Camping & the WTBTS. Jesus actually identifies false prophets like Camping and the WTBTS. To be a true prophet of God, 100% of what that prophet predicts must come to pass. Neither Camping's nor the WTBTS's prophecies have come true ergo both are false prophets according to God. You have identified erroneously and unBiblically. Your reliance of occultism in the form of numerology shows that you have embraced a satanic system of divination. In short, nothing you can claim on the matter of using divination can be justified by God's Word especially when God specifically prohibits His children from it. Lev 19:26 Do not practice divination or sorcery. Yet you practice numerology, a form of divination. Abandon it. Lev 19:31 Do not turn to mediums or seek out spiritists, for you will be defiled by them. Yet you turned to Harold Camping, a person who uses occultic numerology, a form of divination. Leave him. Lev 20:6 I will set my face against the person who turns to mediums and spiritists to prostitute himself by following them, and I will cut him off from his people. Yet you turned to Harold Camping, a person who uses occultic numerology, a form of divination. Reject his false teachings. 2 Thess 2:9-10 The coming of the lawless one will be in accordance with the work of Satan displayed in all kinds of counterfeit miracles, signs and wonders, 10 and in every sort of evil that deceives those who are perishing. They perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. You follow Harold Camping, Ronald Weinland and the Watchtower Bible And Tract Society whose counterfeit prophesies are indeed wicked and evil. Abandon them. Mic 3:7 7 The seers will be ashamed and the diviners disgraced. They will all cover their faces because there is no answer from God. This is what God says will happen to those who use divination as Harold Camping and you have been doing. Gal 5:19-21 19 The acts of the sinful nature are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; 20 idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions 21 and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God. Forms of divination are a type of witchcraft which are acts of the sinful nature. Pray for the Holy Spirit to release you from its wicked bondage. May God bless, Carl my website

Why Are you (OBVES), Harold Camping, Ronald Weinland & The Watchtower Bible And Tract Society All False Prophets? Simple. Deut 18:22 22 If what a prophet proclaims in the name of the Lord does not take place or come true, that is a message the Lord has not spoken. That prophet has spoken presumptuously. Do not be afraid of him. None of their teachings, prophecies, etc. should be heeded nor taken seriously for they all speak presumptuously and falsely concerning such things. Your attempt to justify a form of divination such as numerology is vain, wicked and futile for God is clearly against it. Harold Camping is merely a false prophet who teaches quite falsely. If you choose to follow his teachings and date-settings, then you have a much larger problem you will have to deal with. He's already set dates that did not come to pass and according to the Bible he therefore is a false prophet. He also teaches an anti-church theology that is in opposition to _script_ure. Furthermore, your use of occultic numerology also gives evidence that you have embraced divinitation which is something God abhors. I am quite familiar with your posts and as I conclude, you are not one keeping to Christian essentials and have decided somewhere along the way to embrace and teach unGodly things. I cannot and will not accept such unGodly things and will voice my opposition to such unGodly things. Your support of the Watchtower Bible And Tract Society, an unChristian cult, also shows that you have abandoned Biblical teachings since they not only have prophesied falsely but teach unBiblical things as well. Camping's aberrant and extra-biblical teachings and behavior (including his lack of accountability) place him outside the boundaries of orthodox, evangelical Christianity. He had already completely embarrassed himself and destroyed any credibility in the early 1990s by predicting that Christ would return to earth on September 6, 1994. After that prediction failed to materialize, Camping continued to make false prophecies, culminating in his absurd pronouncement that the Church age has come to an end and we are living in the Tribulation. God is through with the church, Camping insists— and judgment has now begun. Camping tells his listeners they need to leave their churches and look to Family Radio to be the main vehicle through which the gospel is preached to the whole world. This behavior shows quite clearly that Camping has placed himself above God's Word and is teaching falsely. Camping has gone as far as to claim that, since 1988, God has installed Satan as the leader of the Church, in an effort to destroy it. He also claims that no one was saved between the years 1988 and 1994, when he predicted the world would end. I am truly saddened that you have been deceived by Harold Camping, Ronald Weinland and the Watchtower Bible And Tract Society. I pray that you will one day abandon them and embrace solid, Biblical theology rather than the false teachings of Camping & the WTBTS. Jesus actually identifies false prophets like Camping and the WTBTS. To be a true prophet of God, 100% of what that prophet predicts must come to pass. Neither Camping's nor the WTBTS's prophecies have come true ergo both are false prophets according to God. You have identified erroneously and unBiblically. Your reliance of occultism in the form of numerology shows that you have embraced a satanic system of divination. In short, nothing you can claim on the matter of using divination can be justified by God's Word especially when God specifically prohibits His children from it. Lev 19:26 Do not practice divination or sorcery. Yet you practice numerology, a form of divination. Abandon it. Lev 19:31 Do not turn to mediums or seek out spiritists, for you will be defiled by them. Yet you turned to Harold Camping, a person who uses occultic numerology, a form of divination. Leave him. Lev 20:6 I will set my face against the person who turns to mediums and spiritists to prostitute himself by following them, and I will cut him off from his people. Yet you turned to Harold Camping, a person who uses occultic numerology, a form of divination. Reject his false teachings. 2 Thess 2:9-10 The coming of the lawless one will be in accordance with the work of Satan displayed in all kinds of counterfeit miracles, signs and wonders, 10 and in every sort of evil that deceives those who are perishing. They perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. You follow Harold Camping, Ronald Weinland and the Watchtower Bible And Tract Society whose counterfeit prophesies are indeed wicked and evil. Abandon them. Mic 3:7 7 The seers will be ashamed and the diviners disgraced. They will all cover their faces because there is no answer from God. This is what God says will happen to those who use divination as Harold Camping and you have been doing. Gal 5:19-21 19 The acts of the sinful nature are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; 20 idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions 21 and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God. Forms of divination are a type of witchcraft which are acts of the sinful nature. Pray for the Holy Spirit to release you from its wicked bondage. May God bless, Carl my website

Right now at this moment I recommend each and every reader to get acquainted with three preachers of the Bible who predict the end of the world in varying ways . Why? They're all false prophets and cultic Chicken Little the-sky-is-falling false prophets just like you. [snip] Ike

I must agree with Carl on this. M, Carl < This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it wrote in message Why Are you (OBVES), Harold Camping, Ronald Weinland & The Watchtower Bible And Tract Society All False Prophets? Simple. Deut 18:22 22 If what a prophet proclaims in the name of the Lord does not take place or come true, that is a message the Lord has not spoken. That prophet has spoken presumptuously. Do not be afraid of him. None of their teachings, prophecies, etc. should be heeded nor taken seriously for they all speak presumptuously and falsely concerning such things. Your attempt to justify a form of divination such as numerology is vain, wicked and futile for God is clearly against it. Harold Camping is merely a false prophet who teaches quite falsely. If you choose to follow his teachings and date-settings, then you have a much larger problem you will have to deal with. He's already set dates that did not come to pass and according to the Bible he therefore is a false prophet. He also teaches an anti-church theology that is in opposition to _script_ure. Furthermore, your use of occultic numerology also gives evidence that you have embraced divinitation which is something God abhors. I am quite familiar with your posts and as I conclude, you are not one keeping to Christian essentials and have decided somewhere along the way to embrace and teach unGodly things. I cannot and will not accept such unGodly things and will voice my opposition to such unGodly things. Your support of the Watchtower Bible And Tract Society, an unChristian cult, also shows that you have abandoned Biblical teachings since they not only have prophesied falsely but teach unBiblical things as well. Camping's aberrant and extra-biblical teachings and behavior (including his lack of accountability) place him outside the boundaries of orthodox, evangelical Christianity. He had already completely embarrassed himself and destroyed any credibility in the early 1990s by predicting that Christ would return to earth on September 6, 1994. After that prediction failed to materialize, Camping continued to make false prophecies, culminating in his absurd pronouncement that the Church age has come to an end and we are living in the Tribulation. God is through with the church, Camping insists— and judgment has now begun. Camping tells his listeners they need to leave their churches and look to Family Radio to be the main vehicle through which the gospel is preached to the whole world. This behavior shows quite clearly that Camping has placed himself above God's Word and is teaching falsely. Camping has gone as far as to claim that, since 1988, God has installed Satan as the leader of the Church, in an effort to destroy it. He also claims that no one was saved between the years 1988 and 1994, when he predicted the world would end. I am truly saddened that you have been deceived by Harold Camping, Ronald Weinland and the Watchtower Bible And Tract Society. I pray that you will one day abandon them and embrace solid, Biblical theology rather than the false teachings of Camping & the WTBTS. Jesus actually identifies false prophets like Camping and the WTBTS. To be a true prophet of God, 100% of what that prophet predicts must come to pass. Neither Camping's nor the WTBTS's prophecies have come true ergo both are false prophets according to God. You have identified erroneously and unBiblically. Your reliance of occultism in the form of numerology shows that you have embraced a satanic system of divination. In short, nothing you can claim on the matter of using divination can be justified by God's Word especially when God specifically prohibits His children from it. Lev 19:26 Do not practice divination or sorcery. Yet you practice numerology, a form of divination. Abandon it. Lev 19:31 Do not turn to mediums or seek out spiritists, for you will be defiled by them. Yet you turned to Harold Camping, a person who uses occultic numerology, a form of divination. Leave him. Lev 20:6 I will set my face against the person who turns to mediums and spiritists to prostitute himself by following them, and I will cut him off from his people. Yet you turned to Harold Camping, a person who uses occultic numerology, a form of divination. Reject his false teachings. 2 Thess 2:9-10 The coming of the lawless one will be in accordance with the work of Satan displayed in all kinds of counterfeit miracles, signs and wonders, 10 and in every sort of evil that deceives those who are perishing. They perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. You follow Harold Camping, Ronald Weinland and the Watchtower Bible And Tract Society whose counterfeit prophesies are indeed wicked and evil. Abandon them. Mic 3:7 7 The seers will be ashamed and the diviners disgraced. They will all cover their faces because there is no answer from God. This is what God says will happen to those who use divination as Harold Camping and you have been doing. Gal 5:19-21 19 The acts of the sinful nature are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; 20 idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions 21 and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God. Forms of divination are a type of witchcraft which are acts of the sinful nature. Pray for the Holy Spirit to release you from its wicked bondage. May God bless, Carl my website