Our dear friend Terry Green, who is promoting the supposed wonder product Proteabolic has been given an ultimatum.  I have requested that he reveal the details of the double blind studies that he _base_s his fantastic claims upon.  This I am sure you will all agree is not an unreasonable demand.  The makers of Phosphagain, for instance, have no qualms about revealing their study results. Terry has been told SPECIFICALLY (and just in case I plan on reminding him several times over the next few days to ENSURE he is well aware) that failure to meet these simple and inarguably reasonable demands will result in an all-out effort on my part (hopefully with the cooperation of many of you as well) to totally discredit him and abolish him from the supplement industry for good.  This would be an unfortunated turn of events for the hidden faces behind Proteabolic as they will receive NO quarter. We have put up with this sort of crap for way too long.  It is time to set an undeniable precedent; one which will cause the likes of Terry Green to NEVER AGAIN attempt to take advantage of us by insulting our intelligence in such a despicable manner.   Unfortunately this is the only solution we have that can ensure the sanctity and integrity of our beloved fitness newsgroups. THESE BASTARDS ARE GOING TO COME TO DREAD THE DAY THEY EVER DECIDED TO POST THEIR CRAP HERE!!! pa

: Our dear friend Terry Green, who is promoting the supposed wonder product : Proteabolic has been given an ultimatum.  I have requested that he reveal Hi PA, I don't know - nor care - who your friend mr. Green is, but I've heard the same claims, and was able to get in touch with the lab in Arizona. They were glad to email me all the info I've requested. I have no ties with the comapny (don't even remember their name) and I didn't try the product or anything that has to do with it. Here it is, the full report I've received from them, do with it whatever you think it's worth. Some of the terms are too technical for my care, so please, don't refer anything to me because I could care less for the company. I'm more interested in a GOOD WORKING product, and will be glad to read your opinion about the report, but don't relate me to it or to the company. Regards, iRon                     LIVE BLOOD CELL ANALYSIS                             Infinity2                     The Nutrition and Strength                           Professionals Do you have healthy and powerful blood, or is your blood tired and weak? Finding out could mean the difference between living a healthy, energetic life_style_ or not feeling as well as you should. By monitoring the condition of your blood, your health professional can assist you in balancing your blood by giving you dietary and life_style_ recommendations that, when observed, can enhance your overall health. It is now possible to observe your blood cells through a special Microscope, indicating conditions within your blood that can be negatively affecting your overall health. Using this Phase Contrast microscope system for evaluating shapes and other properties of individual blood cells, properly trained health professionals have been able to observe some startling nutritional disorders. These disorders include some conditions that cannot easily be found by using the traditional method of blood analysis which detects chemical changes in the blood and also looks at profiles of enzymes and other constituents. The advantage of the Live Blood Microscopy Analysis is that many of these disorders can be detected before standard blood tests can detect any chemical changes. Generally then, treatment can be more successful because these problems are discovered when they are still in their infant stages. This would be considered as true preventative nutrition. A microscopic photograph of healthy, powerful blood shows the red blood cells to be round, evenly shaped and freely floating in plasma. The plasma itself is clear with few fat globules. There are no signs of clotting, bacteria  or other foreign matter, fungal or stress. This is the kind of blood a healthy person should have flowing through their circulatory system. As you can easily see, Phase Contrast Microscopy is a valuable tool in the evaluation of your present blood and nutritional condition. In order to understand the examples of healthy blood , a brief overview of the function of the blood within the circulatory system is necessary. The blood plays a central role in the overall health of every person. Although nearly 80 percent water, blood is a complex liquid that comprises approximately 7.5 percent of a person's total weight. An averaged-size man has about 1-1/2 gallons (5.5 liters) of blood, while a woman has slightly  ess than a gallon (3.25 liters). Whole human blood consists of red blood cells, white blood cells and platelets (blood elements) that float individually in plasma, a straw- colored liquid made up of about 90 percent water. The watery plasma, which also contains organic acids, glucose, hormones and salts, serves as a medium for: (1) circulating the suspended blood components throughout the body's network of arteries, veins and capillaries; (2) delivering nutrients to the tissues and organs; (3) carrying minerals, hormones, vitamins and antibodies; and (4) removing waste products. Many substances vital to health are recycled through the blood. Blood travels from the heart to the lungs through the pulmonary artery, picks up oxygen, flows back to the heart, and is then pumped out to the body. After releasing the oxygen to the cells and taking on carbon dioxide (the waste product of cell _meta_bolism), the blood returns to the lungs, where the carbon dioxide is exhaled. It completes this circuit in 20 seconds. During its journey through the body, the blood also picks up hormones from the thyroid, adrenal, and other glands and transports them to specific organs. In general, the blood helps maintain equilibrium (homeostasis) of the internal environment. In addition to bathing the body's tissues in oxygen and collecting waste products, the blood's major regulatory functions involve nutrition of cells, defense mechanisms and maintaining proper body temperature. The blood also facilitates the body's adaptability to different conditions, including changes in climate, stressful physical activity, new dietary habits and resistance to injury and infectious organisms. The cells of the blood are of three types: (1) Red Blood Cells or Erythrocytes; (2) White Blood Cells or Leukocytes; (3) Platelets or Thrombocytes. These will be explained in more detail in the following. Red blood cells, or erythrocytes are formed in the red bone marrow of the skull, ribs, vertebrae and other major marrow-containing bones. These cells transport oxygen from the lungs to other body tissues, collect carbon dioxide, and play an important role in regulating the acid-_base_ balance of the blood. Red blood cells circulate in the blood stream for about 120 days, after which they are trapped and broken down in the spleen that stores and filters blood. The liver and spleen, which also can function as back-up sites for red cell reserves in an emergency, act as salvage yards for iron reclaimed from dead red cells. Although the total number of red blood cells in the body vary with age, altitude, activity and temperature, the average individual has about 35 trillion.  White blood cells, or leukocytes are the principle component of the body's immune system. Acting as scavengers, they assist in repairing the body. White blood cells are formed either in the bone marrow or lymph nodes which serve as defense outposts against germs attacking the body. They travel from one site to another through the arteries, veins and capillaries, but also leave the bloodstream and filter into the lymphatic tissues to fight invaders. Although they are formed in large quantities, many die in a few days. As a result, the red blood cells outnumber the white blood cells. A healthy person has approximately 75 billion leukocytes in their blood. Foreign particles inside the body are attacked by different types of leukocytes, each with its own defense ftmction. They may be different in size but they act as a well-trained army. Their names are macrophage, neutrophil, eosinophil, basophil, monocyte and lymphocyte. Platelets, or thrombocytes are formed in the bone marrow and play an important role in blood coagulation and clot formation. In fact, one of the blood's most important properties is its self-sealing ability. The life span of a platelet ranges from eight to ten days.   The dark-field method allows us to observe white blood cells to see if they are performing adequately. This may be an excellent indicator of the performance of the auto-immune system.   Live Blood Cell Analysis, i.e., Dark-field/Phase Contrast Microscopy given by your health professional is for nutritional information only and is not to be considered medical diagnosis. The following are examples of what can be seen in the blood. THROMBOCYTE AGGREGATION is readily and easily identifiable with the dark-field method. Platelets, which normally flow easily through a healthy blood vessel, may be adhering to the walls and rough surfaces of a damaged  essel. The build-up of the platelets can cause small clots and a narrowing of the blood vessel, leading to impaired circulation, high cholesterol, candida and headaches. PROTEIN _link_AGE is a condition that gives clues that the body is having a difficult time digesting the protein that is ingested. ROULEAU is a sticking together of red blood cells which can be caused by physical or mental stress. Rouleau results in the poor circulation of the blood and therefore decreases the amounts of oxygen and nutrients available for the body to use. This condition results in fatigue and weakness. ERYTHROCYTE AGGREGATION is sometimes called blood sludge . This process is obviously worse than the rouleau formation. Saturated fat and abnormal protein causes the red cells to stick together. SPICULES or FIBRIN is a condition involving the toxicity of the liver and/or bowel. May show with recent alcohol usage, medication and heavy _meta_ls. CHYLOUS MATERIAL or blood fats are due many times to the disability of the liver to clear fats. This is best correlated with what was eaten prior to the test. L FORMS or MESOSOMES are a condition of low immunity, frequent colds, high blood sugar, junk foods or embryonic bacteria. ROD FORMS usually show infection. PLAQUE is a condition of poor circulation, calcium imbalance, cold hands and feet, reduced energy or pains in calves. FUNGAL FORMS may show in the blood but are not necessarily Candida Albicans. There are thirty different fungal forms that may be observed. CRYSTALS may appear red or yellow due to bowel and/or liver toxicity, constipation and heavy _meta_ls. Inability of the body to absorb calcium. TARGET CELLS are red blood cells that have lost their capabilities to carry oxygen and will cause tiredness and lethargy. May indicate low iron and insufficient bile. OVALCYTES are associated with iron deficiency, depression, folic acid and B12 deficiency. Endocrine
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of the terms are too technical for my care, so please, don't refer anything to me because I could care less for the company. I'm more interested in a GOOD WORKING product, and will be glad to read your opinion about the report, but don't relate me to it or to the company. Regards, iRon [ infomerciall deleted] YO iRon, isn't it iRonic that PA askes for a the Proteabolic Study and you give him an infomercial product line descrition that doesn't even have the word Proteabolic in it? doesn't even talk about the claims of lean muscle gains...doen't have anything it it that resembles what PA asked for.. which was a STUDY... What does this post have to do with ANYTHING covered recently in m.f.w ?

                    LIVE BLOOD CELL ANALYSIS                             Infinity2                     The Nutrition and Strength                           Professionals Well, this seems like a good time to post this little list again.  How many of these 15 errors can you spot in the previous post?                   The Modus Operandi of Quackery Quackery is considered the promotion of false or unproven remedies for profit.  Many consumer advocates say that health fraud and quackery are so pervasive in the United States that government agencies can't adequately handle the problem.  So they urge consumers to learn how to recognize quackery and protect themselves from it.  They also say that the practitioners and promoters of quackery often have the following characteristic behavior patterns: 1. They promise quick, dramatic, simple, painless, or drugless treatment or cures. 2. They use anecdotes, case histories, or testimonials to support claims . Prominent people such as actors, writers, _base_ball p_layer_s, and even physicians may be used in testimonials... 3. They use disclaimers couched in pseudomedical or pseudoscientific jargon.  Instead of promising to treat or cure a specific illness or condition, they offer to detoxify the body, strengthen the immune system, balance body chemistry, or bring the body into harmony with nature. 4.  They may display credentials or use _title_s that might be confused with those of the scientific or medical community.  Use of the terms professor, doctor, or nutritionist may be spurious.  Their credentials may be from an unaccredited school or an organization that promotes non-scientific methods. 5. The results they claim have not been verified by others or published in a reputable scientific journal. 6. They claim that a single product or service can cure a wide range of unrelated illnesses. 7. They claim to have a secret cure or one that is recognized in other parts of the world but not yet known or accepted in the United States. 8. They claim to be persecuted by organized medicine and that their treatment is being suppressed because it is controversial or because the medical establishment does not want competition. 9. They state that medical doctors should not be trusted because surgery, x-rays, and drugs cause more harm than good.  They say most doctors are butchers and poisoners. 10. They claim that most disease is due to a faulty diet and can be treated by nutritional methods. 11. They use scare tactics to encourage us of the product or service advocated.  They say lack of adequate intake of vitamins and minerals results in poor nutrition that may cause troublesome conditions.  They state that food additives and preservatives may poison people. 12. They claim that most Americans are poorly nourished and need nutrition insurance. 13. They advise vitamins and health foods for everyone. 14. They use hair analysis to determine nutritional needs. 15. They claim that natural vitamins are better than synthetic ones. Rifle River This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it Skeptic, Agnostic When you know a thing, hold that you know it; when you know not a thing, allow that you know it not; this is knowledge. - Confucius

Here it is, the full report I've received from them, do with it whatever you think it's worth. Some of the terms are too technical for my care, so please, don't refer anything to me. I will be glad to read your opinion about the report. You request opinions. The report seems to be a combination of high school biology and extremely high-grade bullshit. James. James Mitchell           http://netspace.net.au./~jam/ Melbourne, Australia.