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Dennis McCarthy (Visitor)

ether structure Materialistic Derivation of Grav., incl. Inverse square, perihelions, and new predictions

Hi Dennis Okay, as I told you I am extremly busy this term, so there's noty much time to do your website justice. However, we'll start with your derivation of the perihelion shift. First, let me make it clear that I have not yet rechecked the perhelion shift dervation in my copy of MTW (it's on my to do list) but I cannot recall it having anything to do with an inverse cube law. That being said let's assume I'm wrong and move on to your claim. Basically as I read it, you are claiming that according to strict Newtonian mechanics, there is an inverse cube law which accounts for the perhelion shifts observed (and normally explained by GR). You quote somebody named J. Cure to back up your claim that the inverse cube law equation derived be Newton (in the Principia, Prop. XLIV, Theorem XIV) gives rise to the perhelion shift. Correct me if I'm wrong. Dennis: Well, I also quoted someone named Isaac Newton on this as well

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ether structure Materialistic Derivation of Grav., incl. Inverse square, perihelions, and new predictions

limit). Let me add a note about the almost , above. While it is true that they will all tend to accelerate at nearly the same rate, this will never be exactly the same rate. As a result the disk farthest from the source would be acclerating less than the middle one. And the disk closest to the source would be acclerating the least. If observers on each disk were to look around them, they could not tell that they were all accelerating away from some invisible source. But they would immediately notice that the three disks would be accelerating towards each other (gravitating). {snip}

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ether structure Materialistic Derivation of Grav., incl. Inverse square, perihelions, and new predictions

by a mass M placed in O. This presentation is naive and oversimplified but it is enough in order to understand my forthcoming criticisms. As oversimplified as it is, it still seems you don't understand it. a) this demonstration forgot completly sail effects . Indeed imagine a coin placed such that its plane makes an angle of 45 degrees with the local flow. Then the coin will not only be pushed toward O but also in an orthoradial direction, these two forces being of equal strength. Dennis: Uh, where on Earth did you ever get that idea? Is that how you think sail boats work. Forget the sails for the moment, which utilize a complicated system of pressures, is that what you think happens to coins or boats in a river current? You think a canoe in a river will move at a 45 degrees angle to the current

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Matthew Nobes (Visitor)

ether structure Materialistic Derivation of Grav., incl. Inverse square, perihelions, and new predictions

Basically as I read it, you are claiming that according to strict Newtonian mechanics, there is an inverse cube law which accounts for the perhelion shifts observed (and normally explained by GR). You quote somebody named J. Cure to back up your claim that the inverse cube law equation derived be Newton (in the Principia, Prop. XLIV, Theorem XIV) gives rise to the perhelion shift. Correct me if I'm wrong. Dennis: Well, I also quoted someone named Isaac Newton on this as well

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Dennis McCarthy (Visitor)

ether structure Materialistic Derivation of Grav., incl. Inverse square, perihelions, and new predictions
Nobes, take a deep breath, and read what you wrote again. Holy cow.

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Dennis McCarthy (Visitor)

ether structure Materialistic Derivation of Grav., incl. Inverse square, perihelions, and new predictions

Newtonian mechanics does not account for 43 arcseconds/century of the perhelion precession. Dennis: Sigh. **GMm/R^2** doesn't predict it. That's what is meant by Newtonian mechanics doesn't predict it. Now, we've advanced a step with your admission. Let's see if we can take the next step: Do you understand that the 43 arcseconds/century of the perhelion precession is essentially the orbital velocity of the perihelion? Now, do you understand that?

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