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Dennis McCarthy (Visitor)

ether structure Materialistic Derivation of Grav., incl. Inverse square, perihelions, and new predictions

a) this demonstration forgot completly sail effects . Indeed imagine a coin placed such that its plane makes an angle of 45 degrees with the local flow. Then the coin will not only be pushed toward O but also in an orthoradial direction, these two forces being of equal strength. Dennis: Uh, where on Earth did you ever get that idea? Is that how you think sail boats work. Forget the sails for the moment, which utilize a complicated system of pressures, is that what you think happens to coins or boats in a river current? You think a canoe in a river will move at a 45 degrees angle to the current

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Matthew Nobes (Visitor)

ether structure Materialistic Derivation of Grav., incl. Inverse square, perihelions, and new predictions
Holy cow. Again I ask, are you claiming that every astronomer since ~1800 was totally wrong?

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Dennis McCarthy (Visitor)

ether structure Materialistic Derivation of Grav., incl. Inverse square, perihelions, and new predictions

you are saying 1) every astronomer since Newton was wrong about the perhelion shift of mercury. All of these people in the 18th, 19th and early 20th century were totally wrong in there conclusion that Newtonian gravtation could not account for the perhelion precession of mercury. The were all just plain wrong, despite the fact that it was in the Principia all along. Please, do you really believe that? Dennis: Sigh. Well, I tried. 1) It is not even debatable that the vast majority of all physicists in all centuries including this one have been obviously wrong when describing Newtonian gravitation as an action-at-a-distance force. The phrase Newtonian action at a distance which can be found in many of the most renowned physics texts of the last three centuries is a complete mischaracterization of Principia. Newton made it clear time and time again he was dead set against action at a distance, and made it clear in Principia that he was not attributing an inherent force to the center of the gravitating _object_. As is already well known, the vast majority of the world's top scientists are often proved wrong in at least about some point in essentially every subject in ever century. e.g., immobile continents, Boscovisch theory, spontaneous generation, etc. Indeed, the vast majority of the greatest experts of *this* century were completely wrong about Von Neumann's proof

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ether structure Materialistic Derivation of Grav., incl. Inverse square, perihelions, and new predictions
As is already well known, the vast majority of the world's top scientists are often proved wrong in at least about some point in essentially every subject in ever century. e.g., immobile continents, Boscovisch theory, spontaneous generation, etc. Indeed, the vast majority of the greatest experts of this century were completely wrong about Von Neumann's proof

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ether structure Materialistic Derivation of Grav., incl. Inverse square, perihelions, and new predictions

'The difference of the forces, by which two bodies may be made to move equally, one in a fixed, the other in the same orbit revolving, varies inversely as the cube of their common altitudes. And as Newton concludes in the proposition that Nobes accepts: Therefore to the FF/AA, by the which the body revolves in a fixed ellipse VPK, add the excess (RGG-RFF)/A^3, and the sum will be the whole force FF/AA + (RGG-RFF)/A^3 by which a body may revolve in the same time in the movable ellipse upk. Now, Nobes *knows* that Gmm^r^2 describes the classically calculated fixed elliptical orbit of a planet. And Nobes *knows* that the planet Mercury is in an orbit, whose perihelion (and so entire orbit) is revolving with respect to this classical fixed elliptical orbit. And Nobes now *knows* that the extra force needed to make an _object_'s orbit revolve with respect to a fixed orbit is proportional to the inverse cube of their altitudes. But Nobes refuses to believe that the difference of the forces needed to make Mercury's orbit revolve with respect to the fixed orbit is proportional to the inverse cube of their altitudes. Not so fast. Newton spoke about *two* massive bodies B and B' studied in a _frame_ R: B is on a fixed ellipse E in R and B' on an ellipse whose axes are in rotation in R. Then the force created by B on B' can be modeled by an extra 1/r^3 term where r is the distance between B and B'. What are these two massive bodies in the case of Mercury ? I see only one, Mercury. Do you realize that you said above that an empty virtual orbit (the fixed one with no planet on it) has a gravitational influence on Mercury ? If there were only Mercury and the Sun, how could we have a potential which does not behave as 1/(distance Mercury-Sun) in Newtonian theory ?

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As is already well known, the vast majority of the world's top scientists are often proved wrong in at least about some point in essentially every subject in ever century. e.g., immobile continents, Boscovisch theory, spontaneous generation, etc. Indeed, the vast majority of the greatest experts of this century were completely wrong about Von Neumann's proof

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